Roulette Mathematics Challenged by Casino Dealers Possibly Cheating
Posted by Scott K on March 31, 2001.
In Reply to: Roulette: No mathematics possible because casino dealers cheat? posted by Ion Saliu on November 14, 2000.
:: • I received the following email message. I think it is worth posting it here because it leads to various interpretations. I only made minor changes, mostly cosmetic. I also made sure the author's anonymity was assured.
: Comments: I read your theory of math in roulette. As you said there is no bias in a roulette wheel. The dealers that have been spinning the ball for
: years can control the ball almost perfect! They can spin it a few times
: and get their bearings and then it's bye-bye system! I played a roulette gambling system
: that won me $4000 per visit and beat them all casinos until they found out how I was playing and they, and when I say they, I mean all the Casinos in
: the same (. . .) at the same time! They e-mail each other with photos and info. I makeup new gambling systems as a hobby. I study Roulette every day.
: If your roulette system only makes $400 after all day that is not worth the trouble.
: You say you need $5000 to play your system but say no system is good without an increase. You must be losing a lot or doubling one. The table limits will catch you too if you don't watch it. My new system does not reach anywhere close to the limits. There's a simple flaw in the numbers that makes the profit and knowing where to place the bets wins the cash. I could never say math or any prediction would win. It has to hit somewhere so cover it all.
The free roulette system #1 you offered... Please erase it! Some people may make the mistake of trying it. At least give away something that is half way workable. This kind of a "free" gambling system giveaway totally blows my confidence in you. I like to check out other systems but most of the time they are something that some amateur just made up to make some money on the internet.
Now you say.. "What will you give for it?" What kind of question is that? You say it works, it works! How much will I give? Put a price on a roulette gambling system and guarantee it!!!!
: Money back! If people win they will not return it and get a refund. If
: I knew I could win big money with and paid $5000 for it what would I
: care? That would just be a few weeks work. I can also tell you if the
: Casinos can bust you with it or not. Not knocking your system I'm sure
: you're proud of it. I just DO NOT like to hear the math thing. Good luck
: and I hope you make millions on it, from the Casinos and not the public.
: Thanks, (. . .) “
: ---
• A little more math on my free roulette system. The probability to hit in the very first try is (38-4)/38 = 34/38 = 0.8947, approximately 90%. The probability to win 2 times in a row, at any given moment is 0.8947 to the power of 2 = 80%. The free system says to wait for 2 losses in a row. That is, the last 4 numbers hit twice in a row. The probability to happen is 4/38 to the power of 2 = 1%. The probability to happen 3 times in a row is 1 in 1000 (I approximate it to one week). The losing probability is even lower for not playing for longer periods at the same table. Imagine this: you play the pick-3 lottery selectively (with breaks in the action). The winning chance is slimmer . . .
I wonder why many people believe mathematics has no role in gambling!? Gambling is founded on mathematics, as a matter of fact.
: How about roulette dealers cheating? I don't really believe that. How can they possibly keep track of a large number of system parameters and beat them? Maybe, hypothetically, they see a high roller at the table betting a huge amount on a single number; the dealer might have the dexterity to make sure that “the number” does not come out.
: I believe more in the intimidation factor, than in the cheating factor. That's one of the main reasons I recommend team playing.
The other reason is the bankroll. The casinos have the advantage of virtually limitless bankrolls. The players should try to mimic that. Obviously, there is no way a team of players can play with the same bankroll as the casinos; but the players don't need that ad literam.
: Ion Saliu
Of course dealers can cheat, and they do. The problem is, the cheating isn't in any supposed skill in throwing the roulette ball. I have been told by people who work at Casino Windsor where I live that although the ball looks like plastic, it's actually metal; it's not hard to figure out why. I once went in with a few bucks, and making only $5 and $10 bets, I had a hundred in less than 45 minutes, and I know that doesn't seem like much to you guys. I was doing well, but when I came back to it an hour later, I lost almost every spin.
The roulette dealer must have developed a bit of a hate on for me because I left. I thought maybe he was an "expert thrower", and I waited until after he released it before putting my bets down for a while. I didn't win ONE. They do cheat, but it's not that they're expert throwers with keen senses of where balls will land. It's that they have the technology in those wheels to make sure you don't win for as long as they want you not to. The Blackjack dealers cheat as a matter of course.
A friend of mine has a buddy who works there, and this friend mentioned to him that they make a lot on Blackjack, or something like that. He told him flat out that they cheat for the house. It's easy. Why do you think the cards have no borders on them, and tiny little checkers, and why do you think there is a "curtain" over the shoe? Anybody who can't see what's going on at Blackjack tables deserves to lose their money. They just push the first card up and take the next one. With their hand over the curtain, which is over the cards, which have no white borders and hundreds of tiny checkers, you see nothing, except your money disappearing.
If you want to put it to the Casinos, go on a night when they're having a big buffet, and everything's cheap. Stay in a nice hotel room with a few friends, have a good meal and get feeling good in the bar; don't gamble - then you have stuck it to them. Over and out. Don't give my name or e-mail. I will be writing articles about how some of these bastards do business, and there WILL be surprises.
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